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		<title>By: WebInno23 yesterday and MassTLC tomorrow!&#160;&#124;&#160;WaySavvy Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebInno23 yesterday and MassTLC tomorrow!&#160;&#124;&#160;WaySavvy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attention in ways some reporters don&#8217;t event know about. Here are some posts on the topic: (Bobbie Carlton,  Chuck [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Haslam &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Do Journalists Make Bad PR People?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Haslam &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Do Journalists Make Bad PR People?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a journalist or columnist&#8217;s view of the world, and I have certainly seen this point of view played out in a skewed manner too many times. PR is so much more than that- messaging and strategy, crisis counsel (wouldn&#8217;t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Web Innovators Group &#187; One Week after WebInno23 – Quick Recap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Innovators Group &#187; One Week after WebInno23 – Quick Recap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple days the blogosphere was teeming with thoughts about the role of PR.  Lora Kratchounova, Bobbie Carleton, Jason Evanish, John Wall, Chuck Tanowitz, Nathan Burke, Kellye Crane all weighed in their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] couple days the blogosphere was teeming with thoughts about the role of PR.  Lora Kratchounova, Bobbie Carleton, Jason Evanish, John Wall, Chuck Tanowitz, Nathan Burke, Kellye Crane all weighed in their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Asking the Right Questions about PR &#171; Fresh Ground</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asking the Right Questions about PR &#171; Fresh Ground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the recent Web Innovation Night in Boston. I’m not going rehash it all here (you can read several good posts on the topic) but anyone trying to market their organization or product, especially [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Apolinaras "Apollo" Sinkevicius &#124; LeanStartups.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apolinaras "Apollo" Sinkevicius &#124; LeanStartups.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobbie,
Little controversy sometimes is good. Everyone in the audience should have had thick skin (and if they didn&#039;t, they were in a wrong event, wrong market).

I agree even with the raw interpretation what the panel suggested - do PR yourself. Why? Entrepreneurs need coaching, not someone doing it for them, because many of the bootsrapping 1st-timers are also 1st time entrepreneurs too. Until someone puts in the effort and/or makes their mistakes, they WILL NOT value ANY professional help, let alone PR.

I have an article on my blog on the subject ( http://leanstartups.com/why-early-stage-startups-dont-need-business-consultants.html ) and one of the main points I am making is: &quot;Vast majority of true 1st time entrepreneurs don’t know what they don’t know.&quot;

So why get angry about journos telling entrepreneurs to do it themselves. They are helping you! An educated client is a much better client than a naive one.

BTW there are plenty of founders out there who can do their own basic legal work. Attorneys love using scare tactics, that is how most are taught to &quot;market&quot; themselves. I personally don&#039;t have a law degree, but I will whip up NDA, IP assignment, or register TM without any need of an attorney. That is commodity type stuff they bump down to paralegals anyway. There are times for a good attorney and there are times you should know how to do it yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobbie,<br />
Little controversy sometimes is good. Everyone in the audience should have had thick skin (and if they didn&#8217;t, they were in a wrong event, wrong market).</p>
<p>I agree even with the raw interpretation what the panel suggested &#8211; do PR yourself. Why? Entrepreneurs need coaching, not someone doing it for them, because many of the bootsrapping 1st-timers are also 1st time entrepreneurs too. Until someone puts in the effort and/or makes their mistakes, they WILL NOT value ANY professional help, let alone PR.</p>
<p>I have an article on my blog on the subject ( <a href="http://leanstartups.com/why-early-stage-startups-dont-need-business-consultants.html" rel="nofollow">http://leanstartups.com/why-early-stage-startups-dont-need-business-consultants.html</a> ) and one of the main points I am making is: &#8220;Vast majority of true 1st time entrepreneurs don’t know what they don’t know.&#8221;</p>
<p>So why get angry about journos telling entrepreneurs to do it themselves. They are helping you! An educated client is a much better client than a naive one.</p>
<p>BTW there are plenty of founders out there who can do their own basic legal work. Attorneys love using scare tactics, that is how most are taught to &#8220;market&#8221; themselves. I personally don&#8217;t have a law degree, but I will whip up NDA, IP assignment, or register TM without any need of an attorney. That is commodity type stuff they bump down to paralegals anyway. There are times for a good attorney and there are times you should know how to do it yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronin Marketeer &#187; The Agency of 2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronin Marketeer &#187; The Agency of 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting comments from the session last night (even some of mine!). Some very good stuff from the person that stepped up to ask where the PR panelists were, including strong points on PRWeb for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WebInno23 yesterday and MassTLC tomorrow! &#171; WaySavvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebInno23 yesterday and MassTLC tomorrow! &#171; WaySavvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attention in ways some reporters don&#8217;t event know about. Here are some posts on the topic: (Bobbie Carlton,  Chuck [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the panel last night useful. I think an opportunity to discuss the changing, complex nature of how your company relates to its surrounding community (press included) is definitely a conversation worth having, but I see it as a different topic than what was covered last night. The focus, as I saw it, was &quot;bootstrapping PR&quot;, not &quot;PR for bootstrapping companies&quot;. For me the distinction here is that the focus was towards an entrepreneur who was forgoing formal PR agencies. I thought the frank conversation from the journalists that this was a viable option, and some best practices was informative. A panel on PR for Bootstrapping companies on the other hand might look at the useful role that a PR/community relations professional could play for a younger company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the panel last night useful. I think an opportunity to discuss the changing, complex nature of how your company relates to its surrounding community (press included) is definitely a conversation worth having, but I see it as a different topic than what was covered last night. The focus, as I saw it, was &#8220;bootstrapping PR&#8221;, not &#8220;PR for bootstrapping companies&#8221;. For me the distinction here is that the focus was towards an entrepreneur who was forgoing formal PR agencies. I thought the frank conversation from the journalists that this was a viable option, and some best practices was informative. A panel on PR for Bootstrapping companies on the other hand might look at the useful role that a PR/community relations professional could play for a younger company.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me weigh in on this as someone who is an entrepreneur, was not at the event, and who&#039;s primary business is helping companies produce printed marketing materials (aka &quot;old media&quot;).

I talk to people all the time who have tried to &quot;bootstrap&quot; their printing - whether it has been through an online service like Vistaprint, a copy shop at a national chain like Staples or Kinko&#039;s, or off their own office printer. Rarely are they completely satisfied with the results, but they go that route because it&#039;s cheap. Well guess what - if it looks cheap to you, it looks cheap to your clients, too.

It&#039;s the same way with PR. Hiring a professional, while more costly, will yield better results than what 95% of entrepreneurs will do on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me weigh in on this as someone who is an entrepreneur, was not at the event, and who&#8217;s primary business is helping companies produce printed marketing materials (aka &#8220;old media&#8221;).</p>
<p>I talk to people all the time who have tried to &#8220;bootstrap&#8221; their printing &#8211; whether it has been through an online service like Vistaprint, a copy shop at a national chain like Staples or Kinko&#8217;s, or off their own office printer. Rarely are they completely satisfied with the results, but they go that route because it&#8217;s cheap. Well guess what &#8211; if it looks cheap to you, it looks cheap to your clients, too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same way with PR. Hiring a professional, while more costly, will yield better results than what 95% of entrepreneurs will do on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy MacKinnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy MacKinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been on both sides of the issue: first as a financial PR professional during the IPO heyday and, now, at a bootstrapping start-up.

I agreed with a lot of the statements the panel said last night.  As a &quot;bootstrapper,&quot; cost is paramount. In the tech and new media space, a traditional PR strategy isn&#039;t going to be the best use of cash. 

As an entrepreneur I wear a lot of hats, as cash flow improves I will jettison some off to qualified people I hire. Believe me, if I had the cash I would gladly hire the extra help, when it becomes appropriate. For now, Inquisix&#039;s strategy is pretty much what the panel was suggesting-- and of course it helps that I worked in PR in a former life.

I agree with Bobbi though, it would have been a more robust discussion were there the addition of one of the new breeds of PR professionals. Perhaps the discussion could have touched upon when is it appropriate to hire a PR firm and how to suss out the best fit for one&#039;s company and strategy. But that may be another panel all together.

Just as traditional media is changing to remain competitive, so is Public Relations.

Good question Bobbi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on both sides of the issue: first as a financial PR professional during the IPO heyday and, now, at a bootstrapping start-up.</p>
<p>I agreed with a lot of the statements the panel said last night.  As a &#8220;bootstrapper,&#8221; cost is paramount. In the tech and new media space, a traditional PR strategy isn&#8217;t going to be the best use of cash. </p>
<p>As an entrepreneur I wear a lot of hats, as cash flow improves I will jettison some off to qualified people I hire. Believe me, if I had the cash I would gladly hire the extra help, when it becomes appropriate. For now, Inquisix&#8217;s strategy is pretty much what the panel was suggesting&#8211; and of course it helps that I worked in PR in a former life.</p>
<p>I agree with Bobbi though, it would have been a more robust discussion were there the addition of one of the new breeds of PR professionals. Perhaps the discussion could have touched upon when is it appropriate to hire a PR firm and how to suss out the best fit for one&#8217;s company and strategy. But that may be another panel all together.</p>
<p>Just as traditional media is changing to remain competitive, so is Public Relations.</p>
<p>Good question Bobbi.</p>
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